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    January 10, 2010
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america. the fox news channel. captioned by closed captioning services, inc. >> this week on the journal editorial report giving terrorists their day in court. the case against the detroit bomber and decision not to hold him as an enemy combatant. former attorney general michael mukasey is here, and top democrats head for the exit. two senate retirements shake up the 2010 mid terms. are there more surprises ahead? welcome to the journal, he had t. t.o.-- editorial report. i'm paul gigot. the suspect was arraigned in court. umar farouk abdulmutallab charged with six counts including attempted murder and trying to use a weapon of mass
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destruction trying to kill 300 people. michael mukasey was the attorney general of the united states from 2007 to 2009. he joins me now. judge mukasey, welcome. >> good to be here, paul. >> you wrote this week that you don't think that abuell umar farouk abdulmutallab should have been charged in criminal court. >> the principal question is timing not where he ultimately wound up, it's secondary, but he should have been taken designated an unlawful enemy cot b bah-- combatant. or a belligerent-- >> sounds like a new yorker. >> and intent on intelligence gathering, he knew who put him on the plane and mixed up the stuff that he had in his underpants and he knew who had trained, radicalized him and so forth. he had a wealth of information weeks' never going toware about
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that and we're certainly not going to hair about it in a timely way and the failure to do that i think was major, major gaffe. >> paul: the argument from the administration, if he was named an enemy combatant he would have the right under a supreme court hearing to have an habesa hearing and could he be released. >> an habeas could only challenge the confinement. given the fact he was apprehended with a bomb in his shorts, i think the hearing on habesa would be short and sweet. >> paul: your argument is the priority for any administration, when you're arresting suspects like this, needs to be on collection of intelligence to protect against the next terrorist attack and not on some kind of adjudication, a conviction, making sure he stays in prison? >> correct, once you've got him in custody you've virtually solved that problem. >> paul:'s going to be one way or another in detention for many, many years.
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>> right, you need to be forward looking and forward-leaning and when the president yesterday failed to mention that failure among the failures he listed in investigating this case, the omission was glaring. >> paul: what about the argument we've tried richard reid the shoe bomber in criminal car, we've tried moussaoui in criminal court and those went away. with not abdulmutallab. >> two points, richard reid you remember was apprehended barrel three months after 9/11, we didn't have any of the procedures in place although we had an order authorizing military commissions, we had none of the elaborate procedures in place for military-- pro verbally we didn't have our act together. he was put in a civilian court, it worked. as far as moussaoui is, that did
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not work, he pleaded guilty, he didn't contest his guilt and his sentencing proceeding took over a year. the appeals took four years, i don't consider that working. >> paul: that's not a success? >> that's not a success story. >> paul: the other argument, you've heard this from john brennan, the senior white house counterterrorism, you can basically have a plea agreement with abdulmutallab and in return for a lower sentence and now you'll cooperate and we do this with criminal defendants and could work in this case? >> two problems with this, most of the stage that we do this most of what he knows is dated and useless. >> paul: the crucial thing is getting actionable intelligence right away to prevent something if it's planned. >> and secondly what kind of message are we sending? we're bargaining with terrorists over reducing their sentences? i think that's-- >> they say look, we're send ago message to the word we treat
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everybody equally under the law that that send the right message to the world because they'll like us better and show we don't have the secret prisons and so on and so forth. that seems to be the real root of a lot of the case for trying them just like a criminal. >> we sent that message several times. we sent it before the cole bombing, we sent it before co-bart towers, we sent before 9/11 and we see the results. it's not a question of convincing the rest of the world we have a fair system. we have a fair system and there's no reason why that fair statement couldn't eventually be applied even to these people if people choose to do it. the first priority is making sure we gather the intelligence so we can stop the others. >> paul: the president says he's no longer sending detainees back to yemen where, obviously, they have an active al-qaeda cell. do you agree with that decision? >> in so far as it goes. >> paul: yes. >> sure. >> paul:'s going to send them to thompson, illinois instead.
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do you agree with that one? >> no, and my prediction is they're not going to agree with it either. >> paul: the detainees. >> paul: between guantanamo and thompson, illinois. i've been to guantanamo, it compares favorably with most medium security, forget maximum security, medium security federal prisons. it is remote, secure, and humane and when they get over there and find out they're in a freezing facility of cinder block and don't get to play soccer in the sun you're going to hear a lot of complaints about prison conditions. you're going to see a lot of lawsuits relating to those conditions, you're going to see a ton of lawsuits addressed to that and the poeings and so forth. it's going to be-- >> is it at all possible if when the courts hearing the habeas positions and some detainees could be released in the united states at thompson. >> yes. >> paul: how would that work. >> well, someone would bring a habeas proceeding and some
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federal judge would decide whether the evidence that's present today to him, some of it classified or some could be presented only in redacted form, isn't sufficient to justify holding them and then he's going to have to be released. the question becomes where he's released. ideally he should be deported. if no country is willing to take him, basically a six month limit how long we can hold him. now, even the supreme court said in that case we're not talking about terrorism cases, but these things have a way of ratcheting up and becoming instrumental and so i don't know whether that little exception, if in fact, it's seen an exception would hold. >> paul: and as long as guantanamo is still open if you had that kind of hearing they could at least be held there indefinitely while air looking for a place outside the united states where they can be held? >> i stress, held under humane
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conditions, it is a very well-run professionally run facility. all the skills that were acquired in running it are going to have to be reacquired when they open this new facility in illinois if they do. >> paul: now, you presided over terrorist trials in new york in the 1990's, the blind sheik, what lessons did you draw from that that you think will apply to the coming khalid shaikh mohammed trial in the city, the master mind of 9/11. it has to be done with great care. the anonymity of jurors and their safety and of witnesses and their safety has to be preserved, the security of the courthouse has ton preserved. even if you do that, jurors don't parachute out of thin air. they've all got friends and associates and colleagues who can figure out they're on the jury and eventually the word is going to get out. i had an anonymous-- >> you're saying they're at risk? >> they're at risk. i had an anonymous jury into my case, the identities were not
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disclosed. the day of the verdict two of them found reporters on their door steps when they went out. they were terrified. >> paul: you think it's a mistake in general to be bringing the case here in-- >> it's a huge mistake not only for reasons of security surrounding the trial, but because it puts a great big target on a city that's already a great big target and that is new york. new york is the biggest stage in the world. it gives that stage to the terrorists on trial and it also gives that stage to their friends who may want to make a dramatic statement in the form of a terrorist act, why do you think the administration is doing this? because they must understand these risks. >> i don't read minds. i can't hypothesize a good reason they would do it. >> paul: it's likely that some testimony of his waterboarding is likely to come out. he can use that as a propaganda tool, can he not? >> of course he can. that's the reason why they did it, in order to recondemn that
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technique, it seems to me that that is a-- that is certainly inadequate, a shameful basis on which to hold a trial. >> paul: thank you for being here, we look forward to your comments as the case develops. whet we come back the intelligence failures that led to that close call on christmas day and a closer look at yemen, the new terror h h h h h mmmmmm. mmmmmm. wow! you have got to be kidding me. 80 calories? light & fit has 80 calories versus 100 in the other leading brand. light & fit. irresistible taste. fewer calories. i love light & fit.
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neutrogena® cosmetics recommended most by dermatologists. >> u.s. government had the information scattered throughout the system to potentially uncover this plot and disrupt the attack. rather than a failure to collect or share intelligence, this was a failure to connect and understand the intelligence that we already have. >> paul: that was president obama thursday reacting to the release of a declassified report detailing the intelligence failures that allowed 23-year-old abdulmutallab to
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board a detroit bound airliner with explosives hidden in his underwear. and dorothy, foreign affairs columnist bret stevens and editorial board member matt comiskey. dorothy, the president said we're at war, we're at war with al-qaeda. how impressed were you with his white house review of what went wrong in this case? >> it's hard to be impressed with an academic statement of that kind even though we know that this is-- he had to do it and told he had to take responsibility. >> paul: but he doesn't blame anybody, isn't that good? >> no, no, look, blame is the not the point. blame is not the point and yes, it's true-- here is the thing, with this list of academic citations of what we did or didn't do, what is absent? the sense of this large terrible war we're involved in. he focused on al-qaeda. no, we're not just at war with al-qaeda, in fact, we're at war with a vast enemy around the
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world. and he didn't have to say it was a muslim enemy, but he has continued to underplay and to slice off the debt and the width and intensity of the great war against us if, 'd come charging out and said we will. >> paul: but didn't he have some obligation in this case to take up the mistakes of what happened in detroit, which it sound to me were fundamentally bureaucrat particul ic. they didn't talk it one another, didn't connect the dots, a cliche in in case, which is true. >> i'm inclined to give him more credit. he sound like an adjunct law professor that he was, but he did say the buck stops here, he did identify the problem really wasn't in the field, i mean, we've known yemen has been a problem going back to the u.s.s. cole attack in 2000 and gone to deal with it, but the intelligence was-- but back here our bureaucratic
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structures failed and we must try and fix that. >> paul: a couple of points, first of all, this is an area where he could have credibly blamed his predecessor, in 2004 the bush administration at urgings of 9/11 commission put in place the office, new director of national intelligence, now 3,000, 4,000 odd bureaucrats who work for that and the problem-- this was supposed to solve precisely the problem we saw over christmas which was to synthesize intelligence collecting and didn't happen. >> make sure it doesn't sit in some cubical. >> exactly. as we warned at the time this was one further bureaucratic blob, sitting over other bureaucratic blobs, the cia and other agencies. the failure here was not necessarily a failure of process, it's a failure of people and where i fault the obama-- president obama no one is going to be held to account for what happened christmas day.
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>> paul: do you think that people should have been fired. >> absolutely. >> paul: who? who, if everybody is at fault then nobody is, isn't that what the-- >> look, there's a counterterrorism advisor, john brennan. he's now in front of the cameras taking charge of this. he should have been-- >> not sounding credible on the question of criminal charges i should say. >> and then janet napolitano, the system worked homeland security advisor. she's embarrassed herself for a long time talking about terrorism as a so-called man-caused disaster trying to talk this rhetoric moving away from the politics of fear and so on. these people need to be held to account and firing is something forgotten in the american government. >> paul: if you're going to drive a bureaucracy which is slow and hard, you've got to make terrorism a priority the way bush did every day and make it clear throughout the government. >> what good does it do it sound like a bureaucrat as you're
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describing. and janet napolitano, who actually spoke to the german magazine and summoned things up in the war on terror attitudes of this administration that's chilling. she went on to say, you know what we have to do, we have to do help, we have to provide help for the families of these young people, these people who will be radicalized. and said, yes, after school activity. that's what she was saying, they don't have enough to do. >> paul: i want to turn here to yemen, is, as you say we've known about this for a long time. general david petraeus has been going there several times over the last 18 months. did we drop the ball nonetheless in not being active enough in going after some of these cells? >> we don't know what petraeus was doing there. i assume he was talking to the president in power for a long time and in the last few weeks we've had the yeminis taken the
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fight to al-qaeda and two separate attacks or at least three, the problem with yem nen is eerily similar to the problem in afghanistan, you have a corrupt governments in the capital who doesn't go far beyond the capital and insurgencies in the north shiite based and one without and plus al-qaeda. a classic near failed state. >> paul: is this a case we're going to have to take eventually independent military action or can we work through that government solely? >> i think some pakistan is a good model. work from the government solely and turn to the professionals in the yemini military as they are in pakistan and when need be, there are always drones and obama to his credit has expanded the use of drones in the last year. >> paul: i think that yemen is going to be an ongoing problem, thanks. still ahead two prominent senate democrats head for the exit. what the dodd and dorgan retirements signal for this
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>> after 35 years of representing the people of connecticut in the united states congress, i will not be a candidate for reelection this november. >> paul: that was connecticut senator chris dodd, one of two democrats to call it quits this week, along with north dakota senator byron dorgan, for more i'm joined by mary anastasia o'grady and james freeman. all right, o'grady a year ago you predicted this would happen and a year later you're vindicated. did he jump, chris dodd or was he burned? >> i hate to disavow of the
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notion i'm a genius, but it you watched connecticut politics, he had a low poll rating around 40% approval. >> under 30. >> yeah. >> paul: he had seen the three o's and that wasn't his only problem. his other problem that he had was that the corruption scandals that brought him low had still not been resolved and they were going to sort of be following him all through the campaign. he had not released his countrywide mortgage documents which he had promised to do and there was obviously a reason. >> big issue in the campaign. >> and also problem with property he bought in ireland, linked to a guy he had secured a presidential pardon for as bill clinton was leaving office. those two things were hanging out there and he figured with the poll ratings where they were he didn't have a chance and it wasn't only him of course, his friends in the senate who want to preserve that seat. >> that's right, chuck schumer who hopes to be the next majority leader, the new york senator if harry reid loses or retires, they're relieved
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because they've got richard blumenthal, the state attorney general seemingly forever now going to run and suddenly declared and he's ahead in the polls now against the republicans, so is this a net plus for democrats? >> well, i think the connecticut seat is definitely going to be easier for democrats to hold it with blumenthal than with dodd. >> right. >>'s not a shoo-in. he's got problems in that he is the democratic establishment in connecticut. he's been there in the ag slot almost forever. friendly with dodd. had no interest in investigating dodd despite all the evidence suggesting there should have been-- >> and in the meantime he's prosecuted or looked after almost every corporation he possibly could. >> yes, very, very prod view of his responsibilities as attorney general. they said in this particular case where he's not interested. so i wouldn't say he's a shoo-in, certainly an easier pickup with blumenthal than with dodd. >> with dorgan as well, it's a real shock to the democrats. are we looking at more of these
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coming down the road as some of them are in jeopardy? >> yeah, i think we're going to see that 60 seat majority was kind of a fluke in a year where there's lots of different things going on and weak year for the republicans. and you have races in illinois, pennsylvania, arkansas, delaware, drawing a blank, pennsylvania. >> pennsylvania. >> that's right. >> illinois, arkansas. >> arlen specter in pennsylvania. >> colorado, where the democrats are going to have a very tough time holding the seat. >> so they'd be lucky, james, to-- this assumes, mary, that the republicans are competent. >> yeah. >> and the candidates which is not always a safe assumption. >> i think what you assume, north dakota dorgan's seat goes republican and blanch lincoln's seat goes republican you start from there and talk about colorado it's an appointed senator, a democrat, has never been elected and now he's got a primary challenge and then's going to have to fight in a
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battle ground state, that looks pretty tough. illinois could be tough, nevada-- >> you mentioned a 60-seat majority which is clearly going to be fleeting. it will be interesting to watch how the democrats react to this this year. do they say we only have 60 seats for another 12 months therefore we need to ram everything through as much as we can to unite and get it done or do the individual members back off and say, sorry, i gave on health care, i'm not doing anymore? >> i think that they're going to be tempted to go in the former way, that they're going to try to get as much as they can done regardless of how it affects their outcome in the fall. >> really? >> i think the leadership will try to make them do that. >> paul: the leadership will try to do that and they're notoriously independent and will not sign up for-- >> on the health care bill they'll try. >> it's kind after puzzle, how are the democrats voting for obama-care knowing it's the end of their political career, that's the vote dorgan took,
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it's beyond weird, but i think as we kind of hope for maybe a possible best outcome, maybe a ben nelson will decide it was a mistake and not vote for it. >> james, thanks.
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>> time for hits and misses of the week. bret first to you. >> this is a hit and a miss. a miss to the good people who own beach front property in martha's vineyard nantucket and cape cod many who are earnest liberals to worry about our carbon footprints, but nonetheless campaigning vigor s vigorous vigorously, including the kennedy family, the cape wind project to bring wind turbines to nantucket sound and attempting to make nantucket sound a nationa national registy of water to free vent this terrible thing to happening. it's a hit to all of us who understand wind is a terrible way of generating energy and
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this is good news for the environment. >> paul: james. >> this is just a miss, a big miss to the new york federal reserve which we find out blocked the release to taxpayers and investors of information who benefitted from the aig bailout. they kept this under wraps for months and this is more reason not to give people more power to declare something a systemic risk. >> paul: all right, mary. >> this miss goes to france, the ultimate nanny state for making it a crime, it's a proposed law i should say, making it a crime to insult your spouse during an argument. and this is ridiculous because first of all, it's going to be you know, his word against yours unless they start bugging people's homes and secondly, i mean, why is the state intervening in personal relationships like this. stand up for yourself. >> paul: make it a crime to insult your editor, that's what i like. that's it for this edition of the journal, editorial report. thank for watching, i'm paul gigot, we hope to see you right
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gigot, we hope to see you right here next week. captioned by closed captioning services, inc. . >> jamie: implant on fox news watch, a near christmas day disaster. >> we have to do better and we will do better. >> jon: u.s. intelligence failures at all levels. >> the system has failed in a potentially disastrous way. >> jon: as concern about our security grows, is the press pushing for answers and results? key democrats call it quits. >> i will not be a candidate for reelection. >> jon: as reporters begin to question the strength of party. are the liberal media showing signs after obama hangover. despite the president's promises the media have been locked out of the back room negotiations on health care, does anyone notice? >> we covered this yesterday and i refer you to yesterday's transfer. >> jon: the tea party movement grows stronger and most of the media doesn't like it. offering tiger advice, how does
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the liberal press react. >> it's not people of faith to avoid this public proselytizing. >> jon: and a big shock in time square, was that a big mistake? on the ponl this week, judy miller. national review jim lawrie. jim pinkerton fell no new american foundation and correspondent douglas kennedy. i'm jon scott, fox news watch is on right now. the new face of terror, umar farouk abdulmutallab, accused of trying to blow up a plane over detroit on christmas day, an event which forced the terror threat back into the headlines. a wakeup call to the press. and a wake yul call to the officials responsible for protecting us who seemed caught off guard and issued responses that didn't sit well with the media or the american public. >> what we're focused on is making sure that the air environment remains safe that,
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people are confident when they travel and one thing i'd like to point out is that the system worked. >> jon: president obama remained in hawaii on vacation after the botched bombing, he waited three days to speak to the press and address the american people. on sunday, white house counterterrorism advisor john brennan told chris wallace despite the monday morning quarterbacking going on, there was no smoking gun that would have sent the suspect hurdling on to everybody's radar screens. then, thursday after releasing a report that his own national security advisor promised would shock the average american, president obama vowed to defeat al-qaeda. >> i am less interested in passing out blame than i am in learning from and correcting these mistakes to make us safer. for ultimately, the buck stops with me. as president, i have a solemn responsibility to protect our nation and our people and when the system fails it is my responsibility. >> jon: well, not missing a beat
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the new york post summed it up in a headline that screams "they want to kill us, president finally connects the dots." what about the headline, does the new york post have it right? >> i think they have it right and i think the media played a large role in pushing this white house into more aggressive statements and some response. i mean, the beginning response what we saw from napolitano's lame comments were quickly retracted, but it took them almost a week to get their story straight and we still haven't heard from dennis blair, the media have not asked about dennis blair, the director of national intelligence whose job it was to connect those dots that are on the new york post cover. >> john, i'm stuck on your intro, we're supposed to be doing media bias and this intro sound like it's written by dick cheney in his bunkerment. come on, three against one. >> jon: you don't like it? >> no, i need help from you,
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jon, these guys are-- >> wait a minute, i'm very, very liberal on a lot of issues. >> judy, you went to jail to protect dick cheney. >> i did not go to jail to protect dick cheney, to protect my source and that's something that you as a journalist should be proud of. >> no, hey, i think you did the greatest thing, i'm just saying i'm a little outnumbered here and i need help from jon. >> jon: all right, let's get back to the point. jim, do you think that the change in tone of the administration was in any way driven by headlines like this? >> i think there was a lot of pressure on the administration to get with the program, as it were, and get serious about terrorism. however, they had a few loyalists in the media who were sticking up for them. matt lauer on the today show said look, we've got to get rid of this idea, that's a quote, that president obama is not tough on terrorism and diane sawyer in one of the most remarkable leaps i've seen on a prime time show compared obama's mistake on the underwear bomber
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to john f. kennedy at the bay of pigs without bothering to inform her viewers that dwindling numbers that they are, that kennedy-- what made kennedy's handling of the bay of pigs so remarkable was that he brought in president i eisenhower to help him counsel on how to do things and obama has not to my knowledge reached out to president bush. >> isn't this what al-qaeda wants to do is fight with each other and be critical of each other? >> no, they want us to die. >> i think they want us to be terrorized and they want us to-- they want us to be fighting with each other and doing stuff that's against our values. >> jon: what about the changing tone from the administration itself. they said essentially we screwed up and did that, did that hit reflect? >> if i have one criticism of obama, it's that he did cave-in and say, and now has to say, it is-- it is a war. the warfare will--
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would not have stopped this bomber. warfare, bombs and soldiers would not have stopped this guy. what we need now is analysis, we need to connect the dots. this is the stuff that obama is actually, could be very good at and could be better at than our previous president. >> well, if he is been in a training facility in yemen that got hit by a missile from a drone, warfare would have taken care of the problem. >> but if he had been in an apartment where they had blown up the whole block, then you create 2000 other terrorists who have lost their brothers and sisters. >> jon: the question no, is the change in tone coming as a result of the change in the headlines? >> i think it is. well, it's a sign that spin has to have some connection to reality and janet napolitano, when she went out there and said the system worked, everyone in america, including even journalists, knew that was ridiculous and it was like waving a red flag, just daring them to find all the ways in
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which the system didn't work and with some exceptions that jim points out and there are others, they went out and did that and it's a service to the nation and dragged president obama along. >> and there's been a good, drip, drip, drip on this case and that's what the obama administration has to worry about. they broke the story about michael liter being on a ski vacation during this and waiting for the press to discover that. >> michael lieder head of the national count are terrorism. got a little wrong, he wasn't on vacation when it happened. >> he was on vacation after it happened. >> he went on vacation after it happened as part after kind of lame response. but let's be truthful about what they got wrong and what happened. >> the one thing i would have to see, i'm still hoping it will happen, is more rehabilitation of gitmo in the press. because, the premature release of dangerous people to saudi arabia and yemen helped create this problem because-- >> gitmo is what was created.
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>> no, no, no, it was no gitmo when this-- >> leadership of al-qaeda and arabian peninsula is made up gitmo releases. >> gitmo is what created this problem, now this judith. no, national security in 2006 under president bush says gitmo and the war in iraq is what is creating terrorism. >> no. >> and terrorists and an al-qaeda recruiting around the country. >> there was no center, a second attack on the world trade center in 2001 long before we had gitmo or a war. >> and what about with box knives on 2001, and now they're-- and there wasn't a gitmo or a war in iraq. >> there was an international-- (inaudible). >> we want to -- let's ask about this though, the president has changed his tone, it would seem going away from that war on terror. he didn't like that. >> he said it--
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>> a war on al-qaeda, is there a difference. >> he did say a war on terror in his inaugural address and to say he didn't is wrong. i think put it well in the column in the wall street journal, president obama spent the last year working on health care and cap and trade and it would appear that counterterrorism was a lower priority. >> and he's also sent more predator drones to pakistan than george bush did in the previous five years. there's a gap between-- >> and come on, he got it right in the politics daily, when he said there's a gap between what the president is actually doing and his rhetoric. at least there has been until now because there were 404 predator attacks under president obama, versus 286 under president bush in the last year. thank you, thank you. >> but that's a curious thing. why is there this gap? why is he actually waging a war-- >> he's not a war monger. >> we've got to get a commercial break in here.
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douglas, you're standing up for yourself in very fine fashion. we have to take a break when our discussion on this topic continues, it can get a bit more spirited and i think it's about to. you can hear them after the show at foxnews.com/fox news watch. we'll be back in two minutes to talk about the press and how it's covering democrats in the mid term elections. >> democratic drop-outs, prominent members of the president's party head for the exits. will the press help push them out the door? and why is the liberal press so sour on the tea party movement? >> the tea baggers are an interesting group to watch. interesting group to watch. >>úc
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>> and the long sweep of american history there are moments for each elected public official to step aside and let someone else step up. this is my moment to step aside.
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>> jon: connecticut democrat chris dodd announcing this week he would not seek reelection. and not the only prominent member of the politics' party to step aside. byron dorgan and colorado's democratic governor bill ritter announcing they will exit stage left. what do you think about that, douglas? three big name democrats drop out the first week of 2010. how is the press treating it? >> this is the point you should also be talking about the tea bag movement, not in the next segment because both parties are suffering incredible losses, it's not about democrats or republicans, it's about incumbents and the republican party right now, which is under a complete civil bar with the tea bag movement. >> tea party movement. >> the tea party movement. >> jon: adopting the pejorative.
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>> we should be discussing in one segment, not one now, not one later how the media is mistreating the tea partiers. >> jon: let's let rich lawrie weigh in. >> a producer not just the panel. >> yeah, who is the producer? >> yeah, is it the republican party or is it, you know. >> the horse race, the horse racing, the handicapping has already begun on the 2010 elections, are the press picking sides? >> well, as, i think, howard kirtz pointed out it takes three to mick a trend in any media story and you had this black tuesday you had three retirements, one of them was actually good for the democrats, chris dodd because he's probably going to lose anyway, but ritter in colorado and dorgan in north daimler-chrysler are signs that democrats in those red or red leaning states are very nervous, they know that's probably a way of coming and too big for the media to i go nor and it hasn't. >> michael move applauded the
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fact that chris dodd was leaving politics. four months after our request for him to retire, senator dodd agrees, is it more of a sign of the fracturing? >> well, i think with apologies to douglas i think there's a civil war going on in both parties. >> you're agreeing with me right. >> i'm absolutely agreeing with you. >> thank you. >> and so. >> he's not alone anymore. >> alan grayson the democratic congressman from florida has become a hero in the keith olbermann youtube world denouncing republicans as murderers and denounce harry reid it's a phenomenon they're finding their homes in media outlets. >> we should point out there are more republican senators now have announced their resignation is than democrats. more republicans, congressmen have announced their retirements than democrats and more governors-- >> douglas if you read publications like 538.com. >> i'm not saying that--
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if both parties are in trouble and democrats have more incumbents are more in trouble. >> politicalco 538.com will tell new details more think that republicans take up colorado and so and and so on. trt end. >> makes judy want to write more about terrorism. >> and only because i think the media have been pretty straight on this so far. they have pointed out the number of kind of people just throwing in the towel on both sides. let's face it when you have michael steele ahead of the republicans getting up on television and saying, well, you know, i don't think the republicans are going to win the congress and then i think it's hard to concentrate on what the democrats were saying. >> hold on. >> and hold on, jon, let rich finish the state. >> i'm saying that michael steele is indicative of nothing except for whatever stray
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thought is popping in his mind in any moment. i wouldn't read too much into that. >> you want him to quit. >> it's time for another break. first, if you come across a story you think shows media bias e-mail us. >> air going to get an e-mail from me later. >> we'll be back to answer the question. what is it about the tea party movement at that riles the liberal press. where is the transparency. they want president obama. >> broadcasting on c-span so the american people can see what the choices are. is the press pushing hard enough? plus, a trusted news man offers sage advice to a wayward teague, but the liberal media derail the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$e
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>> we'll have the negotiations televised on c-span. broadcasting those on c-span. that's why i want to open we'll have everybody open around the table and all of it on c-span. all of this will be done on c-span in front of the public. >> we're still going to have a bunch of this stuff on c-span. we're going to make sure we've got all of our negotiations about health care on c-span. candidate obama there in 2008 with lots of promises about openness and transparency under his administration. well, that was then, but is the fight over health care has unfolded the knitty gritty negotiations have been behind doors. even normally docile c-span is getting in on the act calling on congress and white house watching the deliberations. team obama not happy about that,
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here is what happened when a reporter asked about access this week. do you agree that the president is breaking an explicit campaign promise. >> we covered this yesterday and i would refer you to yesterday's transcript and the answer i would give today is similar to the one-- >> intervening media which has been reported that the president, president pressed the leaders in congress to take the fast track approach to skip the conference committee, did he do that. >> the president wants to get a bill to his desk as quickly as possible. >> and he promised to do this on-- >> i refer you to what we caulked about yesterday. >> the president in this meeting yesterday pressed for something that's in direct violation after promise he made during the campaign. >> and i addressed that yesterday. >> jon: jim, you have abeen watching c-span, have you seen any of the negotiations? >> i haven't and neither has brian lam who of course is the founder of c-span who in 30 years in washington has never been known to take a political stand on anything. he's very neutral and yet, he
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said, he wrote a letter in which he said, look, i think the obamas played us as a political football, unquote. they took advantage of us, c-span that is during the campaign to talk about how open and transparent they were and of course once they got elected they pulled the plug. >> what about that media push, is that going to work, is that going to bring anymore transparency to the process. >> no, this was an impossible promise. obama, i believe, knew it was impossible when he's saying it and saying it to get applause and if you had the negotiations broadcast on c-span then there would be private pre-negotiations with the real wheeling dealing went on and this stuff always happens in secret and pretty much has to happen in secret. >> as a journalist, i can't defend this except to saying the only person watching negotiations on c-span is jim pinkerton. >> jon: time for a look at the tea party story now. >> learn to speak tea bag. finally, learning a new language doesn't have to be hard. you can be fluent in conversational tea bag in just a
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few short minutes. lesson one, don't get distracted by the confusing words of other languages. >> i think the public option and the competition it would foster would really-- socialist, socialist. >> good, very good. >> jon: all right that's just part of an animated short feature appearing on the website of mpr, national public radio, taxpayer funded. that and other negative reaction from the media to the tea party movement shows no signs of simmering down. here is what nbc host chris mathews said recently about tea party supporters. they're mono chromatic, i don't know that they're mono chromatic. >> they're not every picture i see shows them to be. >> a lot cut groos demographics that feel disenfranchised. >> not the other demographic. >> other demographic. >> they're all white, every single one-- >> what about it, rich, to you in a minute, doug.
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why on the tea party movement? >> i've said my piece. >> and why are the media worked up. >> ideological hostility because they're conservatives, but two, an elite condescension, the phrase tea bag now pejorative will be adopted by the movement the way pejoratives often are weather neocon or back to the beginning the word american. >> and tell them the swastika is a home and pictures of hitler and might gain popularity. >> the pictures of hitler brought in by the lynn done la rush people and ran as a democrat several times. >> i'm surprised you see the attack now because the liberals in the left have loved this movement. >> this is going to help the liberals and left more than anything. >> exactly, they--
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>> and run the seat in-- >> let's take a look at another story that involved, attracted a lot of media attention. >> the extent to which he can recover says to me depends on his faith. he's said to be a buddhist, i don't think that faith offers the kind of forgiveness and redemption that's offered by the christian faith. my message to tiger would be, tiger, turn to the christian faith and you can make a total recovery and be a great example to the world. >> well, those comments from brit hume about tiger woods didn't sit too well with many of in the liberal media some the headlines we've seen this week in the atlanta journal constitution, the right reverend brit hume points the way to tiger's redemption. u.s. world and news report, why brit hume comment on tiger woods is creepy, wrong. and "the washington post" reads, off season, have faith, tiger woods, as long as it's christianity. that's not all. msnbc's david schuster. >> is it ever, ever a wise idea
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for a political analyst anoint themselves somebody's spiritual advisor and denigrate that person's religion and do so on a political news show? >> brit, had he been talking about any other, would it be an issue. >> if you look it up, what he said about buddhism is correct and i don't see how it's a scandal or noteworthy for-- >> buddhism doesn't offer. >> you can look it up. look at-- >> i actually thought that brit was pretty thoughtful. >> we've got to go. we have to take one more break so we can pay for the show. when we come back.... >> he's been on tv, on cover after cover, but is this going too far? [ clayton ] my name is clayton. i'm from beetown, wisconsin. and i smoked for 31 years. cigarettes had a very strong hold on me. i'd drive through a snowstorm to buy a pack of cigarettes. and i have. ♪ the thing that jumped out about chantix for me
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